Posts by William Penwell

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Covid 19, is this the WT new push to bring back ex JW's before the end of the system?

by William Penwell in

not sure if this was covered as i could not find anything on it but talking to my son he tells me one of the gb had a talk telling them this is a sign of the last days.

have the jw's being pressured into talking to relatives and friends to bring them back into the fold before the end of the system blah blah blah?

the reason why i ask is my son was saying his mother has being on his case the last few weeks and then two days ago i got a telephone message from my sister, that hasn't spoke to me in 4 years, asking how i am doing.

William Penwell

Thanks to all those that responded. My sister 4 years ago decided to shun me because she did not agree with my personal lifestyle. I say fine. Just let me be and I can move on without them. I do not hold any animosity toward them, that is their choice not mine but life goes on. I am happy with my life and I do not need them in my life if that is what they choose. They just don't get it. So stop after they have made their choices then just let me be. I really think it is their way of trying to appease their guilty conscience and doing what they are told to do by the organisation.

My son sent me the following link as he says the GB is once again on their case that the end of the system is very near and you must bring in those ones that have drifted away from the organisation. Reminds me of 1975.

The Last Day of The Last Days

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Covid 19, is this the WT new push to bring back ex JW's before the end of the system?

by William Penwell in

not sure if this was covered as i could not find anything on it but talking to my son he tells me one of the gb had a talk telling them this is a sign of the last days.

have the jw's being pressured into talking to relatives and friends to bring them back into the fold before the end of the system blah blah blah?

the reason why i ask is my son was saying his mother has being on his case the last few weeks and then two days ago i got a telephone message from my sister, that hasn't spoke to me in 4 years, asking how i am doing.

William Penwell

Not sure if this was covered as I could not find anything on it but talking to my son he tells me one of the GB had a talk telling them this is a sign of the last days. Have the JW's being pressured into talking to relatives and friends to bring them back into the fold before the end of the system blah blah blah? The reason why i ask is my son was saying his mother has being on his case the last few weeks and then two days ago I got a telephone message from my sister, that hasn't spoke to me in 4 years, asking how I am doing.

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What The Fossils Say

by cofty in

the old creation book had a lot to say about the fossil record.

if i remember correctly it was some lie about all the fossils ever found would fit on a single table.

the reality is that there is an embarrassment of riches illustrating the evolution of life.

William Penwell

What the WT and other creationist like to point out is how evolution is always changing or updating their theory as they find more and more evidence through the fossil records, yet they believe in a book of myths to explain the origin of life like ti is written in stone.

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Totally-NOT-Holiday parties

by neat blue dog in

anybody else in congregations that have parties in october for kids to dress in costumes and pick pumpkins, parties in november with turkey, fixings and candles, and parties in december with red and green colors and baking similar looking snow-themed desserts?

(not to mention the spiffy new wardrobes for easter.

i mean memorial season.

William Penwell

Wasanelder Once, I have seen some J Dub families have the turkey dinner and even hand out gifts around that time of the year but it is not celebrating Christmas.....

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Totally-NOT-Holiday parties

by neat blue dog in

anybody else in congregations that have parties in october for kids to dress in costumes and pick pumpkins, parties in november with turkey, fixings and candles, and parties in december with red and green colors and baking similar looking snow-themed desserts?

(not to mention the spiffy new wardrobes for easter.

i mean memorial season.

William Penwell

I remember when I was about 10 years old my mother thought she was doing a nice gesture by having a non Halloween party on Halloween evening for all the J Dub children. All the J Dub parents in our congregation had no problem sending their children to the party. It was lots of fun without the Halloween connection, yet one of the children's parent, that had no issue allowing their child to attend, complained to the congregation overseer. My mother got a call from him raking her over the coals about having a "Halloween" party, which was the last time my mother tried to do anything nice like this. It is why I have no use for most of those two faced, hypocritical bastards.

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Matt Dillahunty From The Atheist Experience vs A Jehovah's Witness

by pale.emperor in

this was cringe worthy, and yet hilarious to watch.

i'm sensing that this was a person studying with jws because she's so bad at defending the very basics.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0rcmjczeb8.

William Penwell

As to Armageddon being on that list, it is number 9 (of the 24).
"The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in
Scripture as October 1914. It is already in progress, its
beginning dating from October, 1874. Zion's Watch Tower, 1892, Jan 15 p.23
The ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ii (Rev. 16:14),
which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of
earth’s present rulership, is already commenced. The Time Is at
Hand (1907), p 101

The JW now do not know that the 1914 thing was a failed prophecy by the organisations 1st president CT Russell. When 1914 came and the end hadn't come, Russell had to change his prophecy and said that date 1914 was still a marked year but it was only the beginning of the end of the system of things. The modern Adventist movement that the JW are an offspring from had it founding with Miller, who predicted the end in 1844. I think it was a disciple of Miller's, Barbour that went off and with CT Russell founded the WT society and they predicted the end a number of times before 1914 date.

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Matt Dillahunty From The Atheist Experience vs A Jehovah's Witness

by pale.emperor in

this was cringe worthy, and yet hilarious to watch.

i'm sensing that this was a person studying with jws because she's so bad at defending the very basics.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0rcmjczeb8.

William Penwell

This woman can't be a very good JW as they would not phone into a talk show like this. She just made herself look like a complete idiot.

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Is there a new Date by the Watchtower for the End of System?

by William Penwell in

not sure if this topic has being covered recently.. my son asked me a question if the jw's have in the recent months being pushing a new end date to the system?

he was telling me about how his mother has being on him again about the urgency of the end of this system of things and he needs to do something asap.

i told him i am not aware of any new dates as i have being away from the cult for over 20 years.

William Penwell

Atlantis said ,

Give credit to john.prestor cause I am busy with a slice of pizza!
This Generation
https://beroeans.net/2016/05/26/theyre-doing-it-again/
At the 5-minute mark, Flodin says:
“When our current understanding first came out, some quickly speculated. They said, “Well, what if a person in his forties was anointed in 1990? He would then be a part of the second group of this generation. Theoretically, he could live into his eighties. Does that mean this old system is going to continue, possibly till 2040? Well, indeed that was speculative. And, ah, Jesus…remember he said that we weren’t supposed to find a formula of the time of the end. In Matthew 24:36, just two verses later—two verses later—he said, “concerning that day and hour, nobody knows.”
“And even if the speculation is a possibility, there’d be very few in that category. And consider this significant point: There’s nothing, nothing, in Jesus’ prophecy that suggests those in the second group alive at the time of the end would all be old, decrepit and close to death. There’s no reference to age.”
“Well, Jesus said simply that this generation would all pass away…would not all pass away… before he comes to full kingly power…our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, Jesus’ prophecy could reach its culmination this year and be absolutely accurate. Not all of the second group of this generation would have passed away.”
Here Flodin mildly rebukes the reasoning that some use to set an upper limit to the length of the generation, terminating in 2040. ‘This is speculative’, he says. This appears like reasonable thinking, but then he immediately undermines his own logic when he next says, “even if the speculation is a possibility, there’d be very few in that category.”
What are we to take from that?
https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/pub-jwbmw_201511_3_VIDEO

Sounds very much like Franz, from 1966 he said the following,

'What about the year 1975? What is it going to mean, dear friends?' asked Brother Franz. 'Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished, with Satan bound, by 1975? It could! It could! All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? It could. Does it mean that the attack of Gog of Magog is going to be made on Jehovah's witnesses to wipe them out, then Gog himself will be put out of action? It could. But we are not saying. All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don't any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975. But the big point of it all is this, dear friends: Time is short. Time is running out, no question about that.

This is coded language to the rank and file that the end of the system will come by 1975 but then they can say after the fact they never said that.

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Is there a new Date by the Watchtower for the End of System?

by William Penwell in

not sure if this topic has being covered recently.. my son asked me a question if the jw's have in the recent months being pushing a new end date to the system?

he was telling me about how his mother has being on him again about the urgency of the end of this system of things and he needs to do something asap.

i told him i am not aware of any new dates as i have being away from the cult for over 20 years.

William Penwell

Thanks for all the feedback.

The WT date of 2034 or 2040 sounds very much like what we heard for the build up for 1975. The WT has not come right out and set a date but have hinted at a date so that when it comes and goes they will just blame the rank and file members on being over zealous and going ahead of Jehova. This way they try to keep those ones in as they work toward a date and bring new recruits in. Fool me once.... .

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Is there a new Date by the Watchtower for the End of System?

by William Penwell in

not sure if this topic has being covered recently.. my son asked me a question if the jw's have in the recent months being pushing a new end date to the system?

he was telling me about how his mother has being on him again about the urgency of the end of this system of things and he needs to do something asap.

i told him i am not aware of any new dates as i have being away from the cult for over 20 years.

William Penwell

Not sure if this topic has being covered recently.

My son asked me a question if the JW's have in the recent months being pushing a new end date to the system?

He was telling me about how his mother has being on him again about the urgency of the end of this system of things and he needs to do something ASAP. I told him I am not aware of any new dates as I have being away from the cult for over 20 years. His mother is a real nut, so who knows maybe its all in her head.....